First off, Jack missed well over half the semester. Columbia is finally cracking down on these nut jobs though. The IEOR department informed me that they will be choosing a new professor for next year. The TA's were awful human beings that looked as if they wanted to shoot your before they shot themselves. I believe no one wanted to be in that room. The "special" presenters were also quacks filled with fluff. These people belong in the Business School and not in Fu. Do not take a class with Jack. Fortunately, those who sign up for this class next year won't have to worry.
Jack McGourty did not show up once for class in the spring semester of Gateway of 2011. Additionally, for anyone who's actually read the Team Developer, a little "treat" we get for taking Jack's course and him writing a "guide" to teamwork, it's completely outdated and useless, I mean, we're supposed to use alongside a program on a floppy disk. FLOPPY DISK. None of this would bother me if the course were not listed under "Jack McGourty." The man needs to take responsibility for a severely lacking design course, or let someone capable and willing take his stead.
I am prepared for a lot of disagrees on this. Gateway WAS NOT THAT BAD. In fact, I could go so far as to say that I liked Gateway. I do agree that this positive turn of events was almost entirely due to the fact that I had a good group. Yeah sure, we had a couple members of our group that didn't do their share, but really Gateway was way less painful that most people make it out to be. Honestly, you can make as much or as little of it as you want. You can go through Gateway bitching about how dumb it is, or you can suck it up and just do the BS. Yes, I agree that Gateway is BS, but at some level that's how the world is. Binding our reports and making them look "professional" may sound useless, but there is something to be said for making kids go through the motions of doing it. This year, we were given the option of making a prototype. But the people so-called "running" gateway have no sense of communication. Thus, although at first it was required to build a prototype, they never told the mech-e lab that suddenly 200 students were going to need to use the tools and instead it was made "optional". The Design Fundamentals Exam was stupid. The questions were either ambiguous or idiotic (Teamwork starts with who? A. your group B. your team leader C. your friends D. you E. all of the above). The modeling exam was fine, as long as you actually understood the basics behind modeling and don't just follow the videos blindly. The modeling assignments were pretty useless (read: engineers don't use Maya), but fun. You don't have to listen to Jose, however. Only a small component of what he says during the modeling lecture doesn't show up on the video. Go ahead and sleep. You will not be the only one, and Jose doesn't care. That is actually one thing that I appreciated about Gateway. All the instructors understood the college dynamic. The two midterm presentations were due at 1AM and the final was due at 6AM, and trust me, a lot of groups needed that time. The part I don't appreciate is that they are withholding our final grades under the excuse that we have to get them at a "normal" time in comparison to our other classes. Oh and, I never saw McGourty in class. Not once. Not even for the final presentation.
Gateway Lab is a required course for all first-year students in SEAS. Unfortunately, although the actual concept of exposing students to real community partners and having them participate in real projects is a good one, the overall execution of the class is rather poor. This is mostly due to the core components that the course is composed of. Your grade in the course depends on many factors that are beyond your own control and are based on pure luck. These factors are: (1) Your group members (2) The project you are assigned (3) Your advisor (1)If you are in a decent group with hard-working members, then you should do pretty well on the group component of the class, which is worth 55% of your grade. If you have bad teammates, well, there's a good chance that they won't put effort into their parts of the assignments, you might submit things late, and your whole team suffers. (2) Even if you have a good team, though, you might still have a tough time if you have a terrible project. A terrible project could be something totally useless or an extremely complex one. However, a good team should be able to make some BS up and still do well on the assignments. (3) Your group advisor is the one who grades all of your team's assignments. If you're lucky your group will have an easy-grading advisor who is not picky at all and hands out high grades like nothing. But, there's a chance you can get an advisor who just likes to take off points for the smallest things even though the rest of the assignment is great. The small amount of points you lose each time will add up in the end. As for Jack, he's a very interesting man. When he's giving lectures, he gives off a strong vibe that yells "pretentious". People seem to abhor him, but it doesn't really matter, considering he's not present 80% of the time and he determines no part of your grade. Be more worried about who your advisor is. Jose gives all the modeling lectures. There's 7 modeling assignments worth 20 points each, and a modeling midterm worth 100 points, totaling to 24% of your grade. The modeling lectures are often fast-paced, so you should try and pay attention if you're not naturally skilled at modeling programs. In later assignments, you will not receive instructions, and are basically left on your own to figure out how to do them. There will always be people that understand everything, so if you're not one of them, just hope you have some nice classmates willing to help you. Jose is decent; the only part of the modeling I disliked was when there was parts of assignments that were not even covered in class that he expected us to do. For the most part, though, this aspect of the class is manageable. The modeling midterm is pretty fair and tests you on the basic skills you've learned in the lectures. The newest addition to Gateway this year was the Design Fundamentals Midterm, worth 100 points, which was based on the Dieter book and the Team Developer books that nobody ever read. This test is in no way an indicator of how good of an engineer you are, but rather how well you memorize silly things like the "Four C's of Design" and the "Four Stages of Team Development." If you can memorize things easily, you should do pretty well on the test. There's no way of BSing your way through it, either. If you don't know your stuff, you'll probably end up with a 50 or worse. The last 110 points are basically free points that everybody should get. Don't be an idiot and not do one of the weekly reflections, or not go to the required amount of Friday sessions. These are the only points in the whole class that you're guaranteed, so take advantage of them. The last part I forgot to mention, but is widely known, is that there is no curve in this class. So don't be happy if all your classmates are doing crappily, because then you'll all just get bad grades together. If you get 929/1000, you still get an A-. Tough luck, as they say. If you're lucky, you'll escape the class with a good grade. Good luck!
The best way to approach Gateway is to think of it as a lottery. Why Columbia would choose to make a lottery the centerpiece of its engineering curriculum is a fascinating question, and the less you think about it the happier you will be. But here's the deal: ADVISERS: This part of the lottery would actually be fun if on the first day of class, a scantily-clad Jose Sanchez picked each group's advisers, raffle-style, out of a rotating drum. Unfortunately, they are assigned in advance. None of the advisers gives a shit about your project, but this apathy manifests itself one of two ways: 1. Your adviser doesn't care about the class, so he rubber-stamps all your design journals 30/30 and doesn't bother offering constructive criticism. 2. Your adviser doesn't care about the class, so he has no qualms about taking five points off for every misplaced apostrophe without bothering to offer any constructive criticism. This is the person that determines 50% of your grade. Nothing you do will change his opinion of your project. GROUP: Probably the most important part. It is very nearly a law of nature that in any Gateway group, two students will be incapable of reading English and two students (usually not the same) will be incapable of writing it. (Not, by the way, a complaint about the number of international students in SEAS, most of whom received better writing instruction than we blue-blooded Americans). This is not itself a problem as long as people are willing to work, but be prepared to spend more time copy-editing than you do designing. Thankfully... DESIGN: Your design does not matter. It will never be built. Nobody will ever use it. If this class were about designing new things nobody would ever be asked to create things like backpacks and tables for which perfectly good commercial solutions exist. Accordingly, the first question on your mind throughout the design process should never be "does this design meet the customer's needs?", but rather "can I make this look good in Maya?". A few really killer renderings can salvage the most hopeless of presentations. I'm not entirely sure why I attached Jose and Jack to this review; the truth is that there is absolutely no instruction in this course. Granted, Jack has been known to give an occasional lecture (in a dynamic, task-oriented, synergistic fashion), but these are entirely devoid of content. Your time during the modeling lectures is better spent just following the printed instruction than attempting to decipher Jose's arcane mumblings about fourth-order Bezier curves and fuselage design. Since you won't need all the time in lecture to do the modeling assignments, it's worth spending a little while just playing around in Maya. This, more than anything else, will help you prepare for the modeling exam and for your final report. Just remember -- this school has a good engineering program but some unfortunate requirements. It only gets better from here.
Gateway is not as bad as people say it is.... IF you have a decent group. The grading system is nice and clear: 1000 points, 550 from your own work (modeling assignment, exam, weekly reflections, etc), 450 from group work (pointless design journals, midterm and final presentation). No curves. It's easy to get the 550 if you pay attention to the modeling instructions... DON'T take the modeling exam lightly. Actually go to the lab some time before the exam and spend an hour just figuring things out on Maya, it'll pay off. The rest of your points...pray that you get some hardworking students (or good BSers) in your group and take some time to double click not only your work but others as well... because one careless mistake (doesn't matter who makes it) can change your final grade. I'm not going to comment too much on Jack McGourty's lecturing skills because I never actually listened to him during class. I'm sure he was bad or else I would've paid a bit more attention. The TAs pretty much grade everything. I *think* Jack McGourty grades 50 points of the final and looks over the TAs' gradings.
When I saw the two or three good reviews this class got, I knew I had to give my two cents. Anyone who says Professor McGourty is a good teacher has obviously never taken his class. He knows absolutely nothing about mechanics and can probably design nothing. He doesn't look at the class when he's speaking and tends to make a spectacle of lame speeches. Oh, and he punishes you for not arriving on time to listen to his absurd lectures. His talks are entirely useless. The textbook was a total waste of my money. The project was BUSY WORK. Take this class one day at a time, or else you might quit engineering altogether. The only good part of this class was modeling. The only useful skills I gained were in Maya and AutoCAD. ADVICE I WISH SOMEONE HAD TOLD ME: don't buy the book. don't read either.
If you are reading this review, you probably have to take Gateway with Jack for your SEAS freshman requirement. There is good and bad news. The bad news is that this is a terrible class. The good news is that this is probably the worst class you will have to take during your Columbia years, so just get through it and the worst will be over. Gateway isn't the worst class because the workload is overwhelming or the tests are impossible; it is the worst class because Jack has no idea what science is and should not be teaching an engineering class at the Columbia level. He received his degree in psychology and probably knows less physics and math than SEAS students learned in high school. Therefore this class disintegrates from something that could have been really cool to a fiasco of bs and meaningless, time consuming projects.
Gateway reminds me of a story I read as a child, "The Emperor's New Clothes." Everyone in the class, including the TAs, the clients, and Jack know what a waste of time every assignment is. Yet the administrators of the class pretend like something useful is being done. The presentations are the most hilarious part. Jack sits with his laptop playing card games while the groups make a presentation on the bs project they were assigned. Your entire grade is based on how much Jack likes you.
Now for something completely different. I am an engineering leader (25 yrs) in a large industrial conglomerate with facilities as close as New Jersey. My company employees about 25,000 design engineers in the US and you would certainly would recognize the name. My duties include making hiring decisions for new engineers working in research and development positions. Prior to recruiting from a college I often scan the internet to learn about the school and the hot topics I can use during interviews. This year it happens that my oldest child is interested in Columbia so I have increased my awareness of the school. On rare occasions I interview Columbia graduates for engineering positions. Some candidates have included portfolios of research and class work that includes artifacts done in Dr. McGourty's Gateway class. These portfolio's always have an enormous impact on me as an interviewer. It is common for an applicant to show me brilliant work done by a research team on which they participated. Honestly I am not impressed. What catches my eye is evidence of communication, leadership, and project management skills: can you capture requirements? once you have requirements can you hold a baseline? can you describe a detailed schedule? can you accurately report status? how do tasks get split up within a team? The presentations, reports, frustrating customer interviews, and endless stream of non-value-added work artifacts IS an accurate picture of engineering. Most engineers create FAR more schedules than drawings and more powerpoint slides than source code. Many projects fail to complete in the time allotted. The students seem to agree that Dr McGourty is using the class as a pulpit. Whatever... The opportunity for learning he is presenting is real. Sadly most of the freshman students are just not mature enough as leaders to grab that opportunity. So ... if the student council (and economic conditions) see fit to re-launch the Engineering Job Fair next year I hope you will have a clearer perspective on the Gateway class than I see presented in these reviews. If you and I meet in Barton Hall and start to discuss intern positions it is likely to come up.
Gateway is the most useless class I have ever taken since middle school Home Economics. The class is based on going through motions and jumping through hoops. Most projects are never completed and the school sure as hell won't pay for them. The class is mostly based on thinking up a solution and providing egregious amounts of documentation to demonstrate that something was accomplished. Don't buy the Gospel of McGourty. The primary objective of this class is not to teach students engineering and to help the community. It's there to inflate the Engineering school's reputation and McGourty's as well. Don't you see the website and admissions counselors parading the class as the pinnacle of engineering education? It's not. Gateway is a class about how to write and how to sell stupid ideas. I have no idea how Gateway got National Science Foundation funding, but I'm sure the master of BS knows how to spin the class: "I mean look at all the documentation showing that the students learned something and the clients gained something. Right?" This class is a massive waste of time. Disclaimer: The rest of this is a rant. If you're primary facilitator, I would recommend a bottle of whiskey in order to dull the pain of the endless drudgery and BS. By the way, I don't buy that "Primary Facilitator" bull. You will be the Project Leader. You will take the bulk of the work, but on the plus side, you have no authority to do anything except call and e-mail endlessly. Let's face it, calling these Project Leaders "Primary Facilitator" is an Orwellian attempt similar to calling fascist dictators "Benevolent Caretakers." There is no facilitating, and I wish that I had the power to put the fear of God into some of my group members. As a plus, if you work at Investment Banks, you'll be doing similar work: endless BS in order to sell people stupid ideas. At least there, you will be a Master of the Universe and a whiz at Excel. In Gateway, you are the Master of Misery and a whiz at doing slave work.
A lot of students do not get the point of this course. Let me tell you out and flat. If you're just taking this course with the attitude: to put in the minimum effort to get an A, like you do in your other class, you won't do well. The key is to take your mind off those numbers in your grade book and focus on your client and the project. You are given a unique opportunity to serve the community with your creative and sharp minds-- that's what engineers do. Once these are all set, you will do fine as long as you communicate. Communicate with the TA's, your teammates, and Jack. Do well on the modeling exam to give yourself an edge in the process. And remember that those projects you got are REAL and so as the clients. Don't treat them like you treat your problemsets. Many say it's a shit load of work for primary facilitators. I agree. You will be doing almost all the work if you are primary facilitator-- but NOT if you have the right leadership skills to motivate others to do things. Again, to look back on my experience, I would suggest you to become the primary facilitator because you will get the most out of it. The managing and leadership, it's rare to find such neat opportunity to work on those skills. If you're gruntling over the course load of this course... welcome to engineering. It'll get worse. Look at the brightside and work at it. You will be rewarded.
Where to even begin with Professor McGourty and Gateway? If your idea of a good time is spending three hours listening to McGourty brainwash you into thinking that you should emulate him in every way (including unbuttoned shirt, unpressed clothes, and generally interrogative demeanor), then Gateway is the class for you. Not to mention the design journals, which teach you the ever-valuable skill of artful BS. Did I mention the fact that your grade is largely predicated on factors beyond your control (e.g. good/bad group, good/bad TA, etc.)? If you have a great group, then this is the easiest A possible. If not, have fun struggling for your B-. Also, the TAs vary widely in how much they care about your project and their grading habits. Pray you get a good one. Gateway is a great concept of a course that could be implemented so much better than it currently is. Giving kids who are forced to be in the class anyways projects they care minimally about at best and having them submit their papers to TAs who care minimally at best reeks of dysfunction, which Gateway is basically an exercise in anyways. Oh, and those projects you have to work on? We never saw our client again after the first day. Caring for the community indeed. But all this aside, if you're reading this review, you have to take this course whether you like it or not. Good luck.
GATEWAY IS A JOKE. The most useful skill you learn is BSing, which I guess is useful. If you're primary facilitator, this course is a valuable leadership experience; but, you will be up at 4 AM completing the journals because some people in your group do not know how to write. Gateway is definitely the class you will not go to sleep for when the final comes around. Note: (your final report needs to binded) there's a 24-hour Fedex on 72nd street. Gateway has an excellent idea behind it but the execution is poor.
This class is an utter joke. If you treat it like one, you will get through the semester. If you try and take it seriously, your efforts will not be rewarded. Jack McGourty can be very entertaining if you open your mind and let the BS float right through. Best hope you get a good TA, group, and not-very-involved project... Maya and AutoCAD are potentially useful skills to have, but the lectures on modeling often do not relate at all to the assignments.
No doubt that Gateway is an important class, but the class without Jack would be exactly the same. He has no lasting effect and is easily forgettable. This is because he spews repetitive information that is common sense. Usually his lectures are scheduled to be 90 minutes but they rarely last this long leaving a 45 to 60 minute gap before the maya tutorial. The required books are nothing but dribble, and if i remember correctly he wrote one of them, a 50 page pamphlet on being a good team player. Jack rarely grades students work leaving a large portion of the grading and review to his TAs. To any new students who are taking this course I would advise coming in 90 minutes late as to not waste your time with his lecture. Unless he adds the ability to stay awake during his lecture to his rubric.
I took Gateway last year and let me say something VERY VERY IMPORTANT. You DONT realize how important Gateway is until you actually have to use the stuff. I am so serious. I can't speak to the people who hate McGourty and I can't speak to the people who are upset about their grade, but this class is NOT pointless. It completely encompasses the idea of what it means to be an engineer. All I learned from Gateway was some project management skills and how to draw some cool models. BUT THATS ALL ENGINEERING REALLY IS. Yea sure it takes a crapload of science and math too, but when you're out there in the real world as an engineer, you spend half your day sitting in meetings, struggling to cooperate with a group of nerds, and preparing presentations to show your boss what you've designed so far. In fact the more project managing you're doing at work, the better your salary probably is. Maybe this is something that most first years won't realize for a while... but this summer I did a construction internship and seriously... Gateway REALLY prepared me for it. It was like getting paid to retake Gateway pass/fail. Fun!! So regardless of whether or not you like the professor or you're lazy and can't handle the work, this class is the most useful thing in your engineering curriculum, because when you're 45 you can use a computer to do all the math and science for you but you will have to do reports and meetings every week and draw things in AutoCAD. If you hated Gateway, get used to it...... welcome to the rest of your life.
The 21 January 2007 review is absolutely ridiculous. The reason that the classes are full is because Gateway is REQUIRED.
The class itself is really not bad at all if you get lucky with a good group and a good project. I was lucky enough to get both. Only a few nights did we really have to put work into the class, and it's more fun than doing a pset at least. The textbook for the class is useless: don't buy it. You should skim it for the quizzes, but you can instead borrow the textbook from the Yale library (and others) with BorrowDirect. To be honest, I managed to get perfect scores on all of them without reading many of the assigned chapters. Towards the middle of the semester the profs stop caring completely and basically everyone just talks about the answers and writes them down. Jack does a few boring lectures in the first few weeks but then decides he doesn't want to talk anymore and doesn't lecture at all which is good for everyone! Maya is a totally sweet program and you'll have fun learning it. Matlab is taught in kind of a high-level manner, (not from the bottom up like you'll do in a Compsci class) however since it's taught with COMPUTERS you might even retain something. My main complaint with Gateway is this: my group had a wonderful project and we built a beautiful prototype that really did solve the given problem. Jack and the TAs and the Community Partner all loved it, but despite that nobody in our group got an A! We went above and beyond to do a damn prototype and still no A. One member of my group was just 3 points short of an A--out of 1,000 points, he was just 3 points shy of an A and Jack didn't bump him up. Everyone else in my group had a similar situation. I think I was 7 points off or so. In any case, going above and beyond will not get you rewarded, so I recommend just taking this course lightly and doing the bare minimum. It seems like you don't even have to pretend to like what you're doing anymore; we liked what we were doing and enjoyed the project, and still weren't given an A. We were bummed to say the least. If you're lucky and get an A, enjoy the GPA boost. This class is three hours to screw around once a week--it could be a LOT worse, but this is coming from somebody who had a really great group. If you get a bad group, you will have a horrid time in this course. Best of luck to you.
HAHAHAHA. If youre reading this, you have to take the class. I'll confess that I read these reviews while in class and had to try very hard not to burst out laughing. Jack McGourty's biggest fan is Jack McGourty. Notice how when he talks in class, his eyes are hardly open? The lectures themselves arent that bad. But half the stuff he says is BS. He said that no group will get above 100/150 on the midterm presentation. Mine got almost perfect. I learned quite a bit about writing reports and client interaction, but the process wasnt pleasant. The TA's are much more chill and arent too bad about grading. The Dieter textbook is way too detailed for the course and should not be used. It's practically impossible to do the assigned reading on top of the reports and actually recall the answer to the questions on the reading quizes. That said, I know several people who never read the textbook and managed to get full credit on the quiz. It really depends on your abilities. The workload from the design journals prevents you from getting any work done on the actual project until the very end, which is quite annoying.
Don't believe ANY of the positive or even non negative reviews. This class is a waste of time. Your grade is based on how much he likes you. Each year the class gets worse and worse so take it while you still can....and its no longer an easy A.
This board is unbelievable. If you've got problems with Jack, you're the one with the problem. These cowardly reviews are all written by three or four of the same disgruntled students, two of whom no longer even go to Columbia. They type them during breaks at their $12/hour data entry jobs. It makes them feel powerful because they've failed not only in Jack's class but at the University itself. Now they get to bash the Dean and whoever else from behind their keyboards. Then they run around and approve their own comments from different IP addresses. Move on guys, please. It's pathetic. Bottom line: the proof is in the pudding. Some of Jack's classes take upwards of 250 students and are full term after term after term. If these negative reviews were true would this be the case?
(Before reading this, it should be known that STS will not be offered in 2007. Starting Spring 2008, it may be offered, but will likely be in a different format.) STS is a weird class. It is definitely the quintessential science class for people who really try to avoid science. You really need no scientific knowledge to do well in this course. While the class is fairly easy, it really feels like a waste of time, since the class really has nothing do with your work. Nothing, whatsoever. The structure of the class is such: Each class has a weekly assignment, worth 1 point, in which you must cite an article from a recent newspaper, or newsmagazine, etc. about science, technology, and society, and answer a question related to the weekly lecture. There are reading he assigns but they are useless and unnecesarry. The main component of the class is a team research paper (20-25 pages), worth 25 points, and related proejcts, such as a research proposal and topic abstract. There is a book critique, written individually, about a book that you should (theoretically) use in your research paper. So the class ends up being about half group work and half individual work. The grading scale is fine, but is annoying to show up for 2-2.5 hours of class and get nothing out of it. The class can at times be interesting, but othertimes just plan stupid. Perhaps it will tie in more to the classwork in its new form in a year.
Jack McGourty and this class are both jokes. In this class, you only learn how to BS your way through writing 3 pages of worthless crap on pointless, repetitive questions. The whole concept of the class is pretty cool; they want you to do community service projects but use engineering, like a sensory vest for children with cerebral palsy or helping a one-legged boy ice skate. However, because of all the BS writing that they make you do and the strict grading they have (or at least our advisor, Alex, had), this class is just stupid. Just learn quickly what your advisor wants and learn to BS it so it sounds like you really like this class, and you'll be fine.
This guy is a big phony. He will tell you one thing when you meet with him and then do the opposite. His TA Susannah is even worse. Complete lack of communication and beyond absurd grading. How he grades the final project is beyond comprehension...rumor is he flips a coin. Its a shame because the class could be very interesting but this terrible duo shame the University.
After taking this course, I am utterly amazed, not by the learning experience characteristic of such a high budget course, but by the pure uselessness of almost every facet of that what I had just been through. The course consisted of random grouping and then random selection of projects, with a client who probably couldn't care less about you, and led by Jack's group of rogue TA's. As part of the project, each group was required to submit weekly journals and formulate a midterm and final report. Ninety-five percent of the work was BS, and the rest consisted of the one group member who had taken the EE professional course giving some data that Jack wanted to see. To sum it up, you will not learn a single thing from the main focus of this course, and you will get a grade that's completely subjective.
Let me get this straight: The Gateway Lab philosophy is good. I mean, making stuff for disabled kids is good. However, the way gateway goes to achieve this is really stupid. Matlab (which is just another programming language) is pretty useless for me becuase i highly doubt that my major is goign to require it. and then Maya is pointless as well because... heh, I'm not doing design! the 3 page weekly design reports are hell if your team is useless. I don't even think that your advisor reads them. they're just a waste of time. the WBS and PDS and Gantt Chart are all useful tools for planning, but in the context of gateway are all useless. Jack tries to make the class interesting but it ends up being pointless and boring. Be prepared to spend hours upon hours checking facebook during the Matlab lectures. attendance is taken through the "weekly reflections" and if you are good at BS at all then you'll do fine. if you know how to take advantage of the system, it's an easy A.
Stop!(Google search available. Everything is based on facts) Just Stop! As soon as you see this writing, don't register for this course, not even joking. Even if your advisor is telling this course is required, I would rather not graduate. Two great suggestions for you. 1. Drop out, go home, eat some homemade pie. 2. Transfer to some other schools, like Stevens Tech, or city college is a good one, I heard. or maybe St. peters college. Make sure you major in applied psychology. Now, about the instructor, Jack K McGourty, who has a PhD in applied psychology is a great yoga artist. He always wakes up at Three in the morning(which he is very proud of). He likes to do Yoga. P.S. Despite this, the upper level Engineering courses are awesome. So is SEAS.
I doubt jack could pass high school ap physics or calculus exam, seriously. just look at the crappy look he wrote. he doesn't do anything except giving BS about teamwork crap. We should bring someone with a strong science/research background to take over the course. maybe jack has nowhere to go and the school can't fire him with a reasonable cause. It's true that he does give out grades based upon your pictures
I think the problem of Gateway Lab is about the professor. Since Jack is the only professor who teaches this class, students have no choice but taking his class. He also can use whatever methods to teach since he is the "man" of gateway. Seriously, I don't know why he is qualified for teaching this class, since he knows nothing about computers or engineering design. Maybe he can teach a class that design for those who does not know how to work in groups. I recommend to change the professor for this class, the first year engineering students need a real engineering professor. Or school can add more professor teaching this class, if there is one more professor for this class and school allow us to pick which class we want to take, I bet all the students will choose to take the new professor's class instead of Jack's.
No doubt about it, gateway is not the best experience columbia has to offer. The project is worthless as far as engineering is concerned, and a majority of it is busy work. The very premise of the class is flawed. Rather than introducing kids to engineering, it presupposes that the students are already engineers capable of working on a group engineering project. In order to reconcile this, they dilute the projects to the point that they are pretty basic. But rather than this making things easy, they add on constant and tedious busy work. On top of all of that, the grading system is openly subjective, and the TAs were unreasonable and contentious. At the same time, gateway is uesful in some respects. For one, matlab introduces students to computer science and how to think algorithmically which helps for intro to compsci. Maya is a breath of fresh air amidst the project, but its hard to make an argument for its usefulness. Gateway could be a successful class if Jack McGourty would just heed the dissatisfaction of the students and massively overhaul the approach. At the end of the day, however, there is limited downside to eliminating this class from the curriculum for the simple fact that students; time and parents' money could be used in much more productive ways. Hands down, gateway was my least favorite class so far at Columbia. Make no mistake, it is likely that you will also be extremely dissatisfied. But SEAS (and Columbia in general) have amazing classes that blow gateway out of the water, so my advice is to just suck it up and be happy when it is over.
As everybody already knows this class is for liberal arts heads whose GPAs would be ruined by a real math based science class. And it works. Jack has constructed a science class that requires you to to think and research like any good history class. There's a lot of work but nothing overbearing and even though the class has over 200 people, he and his TA Susannah get to know individual students or their groups as much as possible. The one bad thing: you actually have to show up to class within the first 25 minutes of the three hours in order to get credit for your assignments. Take it. Get an A. They are really not trying to screw you. You only fail if you refuse to work.
stupidest class i have ever taken at columbia. his class is a disease on the seas curriculum, a total waste of my parent's hard earned money. The lab section is semi-useful, if you have never learned matlab before. In any case it goes too slow and does too little, it is fairly a joke. I cannot believe this man is a dean. The lectures would be laughable if you didnt actually have to go and listen to them.
This class is an argument against the tenure system. I was advised by two previous students to take the class. I regret taking their advice. The professor uses the excuse 'the class is designed by the students' to dismiss any complaint about the structure. Instead of designing a cirriculum he allows the kids in the class, through their comments in the course reviews, to structure the class. However, he only seems to respond to those comments that ask for an increase in the requirements. So, now the course is made of a potpourri of busy work assignments as a way to get a bell-shaped grade distribution at the end of the semester. The class is set up to lower as many grades as possible so that a few complainers can get a higher grade than their classmates. If those students wanted a more demanding class, why didn't they register for one? Instead of focusing on really learning something about the advances of technological, you end up just trying to keep up with these annoying little b_llsh_t assignments he's added to try and lower your grade. It's a shame because the subject matter is interesting but the class is now a writing class not a science class.
This was perhaps the worst class I've ever taken at Columbia. Yeah, it's easy (you can get an A- without having to attend any lectures and even students who do not complete the two pathetic course assignments are known to have gotten Bs) but it's also kind of infuriating when you think about it. You're paying all this money for this? Some may defend McGourty's methods as placing a value on true learning as opposed to the struggle to achieve a good grade. i don't know dude. I think he's just ridiculously lazy.
This class is a complete joke and a waste of time. It ends an hour early every week, the professor has nothing of any value to talk about, and there is no need to attend a single class. How this is even a course at an Ivy League school is baffling. I could have learned a lot more by reading the Science section of the New York Times once a week. Moreover, McGourty assigns random grades arbitrarily and there is no way he reads the papers students hand in. I checked out the comments other students received and they were identical. The most amusing part, is that some big shot in the engineering department came in and told us how important and amazing the class was. It's all a bunch of BS.
This course is obviously for non-science majors looking to complete the science requirement. I found it really interesting though and am glad I took it. The lectures are usually interesting (though its true that for the most part they don't get more indepth than a television documentary). Just show up when you want to. I learned a good deal from the class project (pick a topic that really interests you since pretty much all you'll learn from the semester will be from that project). No need to do any readings outside of your project unless it interests you. PS-visit Jack in office hours if you want an A (good grades go to those who show the most interest).
Okay, look. I admit that Gateway is a major drag. However, I think that, for some people, it can be helpful overall. Your experience in this class depends on two factors, neither within your control: 1. The project to which you are assigned. Some groups will do almost nothing except for the midterm and final reports/presentations. Other groups will spend all day every Friday visiting their clients (who were located all over the city, more luck of the draw there) and actually building the thing they are designing. 2. The other factor is your group members. Maybe you'll get four responsible, hard-working students in your group. Or you could get a mix of: good workers, people who do little work but say that they'll do plenty so you just don't know whether they'll come through, and complete slackers whom you'll never hear from outside of class. This is the main reason I say the class is helpful on the whole: your group is assigned a large project, and you all get the same grade, even though almost every group has people who do more than their share and people who do less than their share. Sound familiar? This is what real life is like! If you hate it that much, maybe engineering is not for you. Besides, you have to take this class, so if you're reading this, you must be very bored. READ A BOOK!
Gateway Lab is a very interesting and useful concept presented in an imperfect way. While the design projects and deadlines are interesting, there is a huge variety in the size and difficulty of the projects. The Matlab and Maya lectures are boring, but more relevant to the class. Professor McGourty, on the other hand, is more interesting but his lectures don't really help. Although they are interesting and sometimes witty, his stories are for amusement only and his team building lectures do not extend beyond the realm of common sense and practicality. Still, he is a nice guy who wants the students to like him and he will usually try to help you with problems. The grading is fair, although it sometimes seems like points are arbitrarily taken. The main problem with the class is that the bulk of the work accumulates in the midterm presentation and final presentation weeks. The team grades are also given based on how well your team SEEMS to be working together and how much work it SEEMS like they've accomplished. Basically your experience depends on your team, and there is no way to overcome a lazy team member since reporting this to Jack might jeopardize your grade due to poor team unity. In addition, the textbooks are not used at all so students should not even buy them. Overall, Professor McGourty doesn't really seem to do much in the class, yet it is required so students should make the best of it.
THE WORST PROFESSOR IVE EVER HAD AT COLUMBIA. Apparently, Jack has gone from being a "free spirit" who doesn't believe in grades to handing out C's for no apparent reason. DO NOT TAKE THIS CLASS unless you're willing to take your chances and you don't care about your GPA.
The class is pop science, made up of Dateline clips, documentaries, and guest speakers. It's a better use of time to devote three hours a week to scanning newspapers and webforums than coming to class to listen to a motley crew of ill-informed freshmen. The frustrating part is that McGourty is so arrogant that it seems like you're fighting for his good graces rather than trying to do your best work. He dislikes humanities-types, I suspect because he doesn't know how to spell or punctuate, and he likes to be ambiguous about grades. He likes to say that grades shouldn't matter, and Columbia students have inflated grades, etc.-- though I can't see how that argument justifies assigning lower grades arbitrarily. Basically the class is innocuous, the workload is next to nothing, and the most difficult thing about the class is figuring out how Jack McGourty manages to stand up straight with such a big head and inflated ego.
Absolutely horrible professor. Ok, well, the class was not at all interesting and it is not because his students don't try. I wrote a good and interesting paper I am sure and he is too much of a self-absorbed . . . I'll stop, but please, do not take this course.
Jack is one of the best profs I have had at Columbia. The goal behind all the exercises is to drive home the point that teamwork is paramount as well as passion for whatever it is you are working on. If, as a student, you can get your mind around these two concepts -- and also factor in the responsibility that comes along with possessing knowledge -- you will do well. You will have problems with Jack's style if you are a self-contained know-it-all type.
Holy hell. If you're reading CULPA right now, it's not like this review will do you any good, since there ain't no chance that you can get out of Gateway if you're an engineer. You're going to waste three hours of every day. Some days you're going to waste it sitting in class while Jack talks for an hour and a half about how to show somebody a PowerPoint presentation. There was one day this term where we didn't do anything, period, for the first hour and a half. Just sat at the machines, didn't work in our groups, didn't do any work, while the TA's futzed around and the professors waltzed in forty-five minutes late. Gateway is everything that college should not be. This is to a great extent due to the work of Prof./Dean/whatever Jack McGourty, who has somehow managed to push this monstrosity of a class onto the department. All of the work that you turn in is, in the most literal sense of the word, bullshit. If you're lucky enough to get a practical project, maybe you'll do a little real work, but otherwise you'll fluff up a theory you know nothing about for months. Jack and everyone who is in any way involved in this class pretty much just drive over the same useless concepts (how to talk to people, etc.) You'll watch videos from Dateline. You'll use a set of totally outdated, useless software that SEAS foists upon you, with a whole different password and logic set from regular CU software. Most importantly, you'll sit in your chair doing nothing and being made fun of. But the view from the window is nice. This class claims to be community service but is an insult to the community -- a bunch of stressed, uninformed and uninterested freshmen are going to build you a new community center using only Matlab and our raw intellectual powers? Keep dreaming. Maybe we should just go out in the field and do problem solving. Or have these three hours a week to get some bloody work done. Good luck, freshman. Persevere and great rewards may or may not follow.
This class was awful. I hope if any member of ColumbiaÂ’s administration reads this, he or she will seriously consider my review. This class was a complete waste of time. How can anyone expect first semester engineers to design a feasible project? The idea is absurd; the freshmen are not technically prepared, nor are they intellectually motivated to do what is asked of them. Every student in the class deserves an F, not because they are lazy or incompetent, but because they are not ready for real engineering. The only benefits in this course were a brief introduction to Matlab and Maya software. Not surprisingly, these are the two aspects of the course that Jack does not agree with. Columbia needs to stop pouring thousands of dollars into this Â“classÂ” and spend it on the students.
(Note: This class was co-taught with Tim Cross) As a person, I really like Professor McGourty. He's easy to get along with, not pretentious at all, and he makes a definite effort to get you interested in technology. However, this new class had some serious issues that need to be addressed in order for it to be successful in the future. The class structure was very disorganized. The syllabus changed several times throughout the semester, and it was really unclear what was expected of us, especially in the part of the class where we worked with Gateway Lab students. Personally, I felt like I didn't contribute anything to the Gateway project, but then again, I didn't know what I *could* contribute. A lot of class time was wasted just trying to get things in order. But overall, I really can't complain. The class was easy. I know some people have issues with Jack McGourty, and I don't know what he's like in Gateway, but in this class he really seemed genuine and kind - and interested in the subject matter.
The most important thing you need to know about this class is that it is no longer an easy A!! As far as I know, Jack, cracking under pressure from the spec and probably from higher up in the engineering school and of course due to his lack of personality and belief in his philosophy, handed out grades that werenÂ’t AÂ’s. I heard from a group member that individuals in the class received BÂ’s. However, in my case, after sweating through the class and contemplating dropping it at one point, I managed to get an A even though I am sure jack did not have time to read 200 individual papers and about 50 group papers in order to be fair. Seems like he pretty much gave out grades according to how good the topic title of the group project sounded. The class requirements are ridiculous, as expected, and as everyone probably already knows: you form a group, pick a topic vaguely having to do with technology, pick a book which you will just skim at best, write a 5 page Â“book report,Â” and then get together with your group once to slap together a 15 page paper and make a powerpoint slideshow which you will probably not have to present. Because of the unnaturally large size of the class jack had to chose only a few groups to present and then despite that, no one respected his 10 minute rule and only about half the groups ended up presenting. Bottom line about this class is that it is now a BIG RISK, but if you donÂ’t mind going through a whole semester not knowing whether you are going get an A or a C in a three point class (because there is absolutely zero feedback throughout) then this is the class for you. Oh yea, we were also supposed to Â“learnÂ” in this class, but I donÂ’t think I did very much of that. Class was boring most of the time, JackÂ’s lectures just droned on and were mostly uninteresting (no one wants to hear a 2 hour lecture about the history of bikes!!), and class discussions were disorganized and dominated by only a few people. Out of a class of 200, barely a quarter showed up to class and personally I went to all of 4 classes or so all semester. Jack never ceases to amaze meÂ…..and not in a good way, but I shouldnÂ’t be complaining right? I should be like one of those people who write Â“jack is amazingÂ” in the reviews just because he boosted their GPAÂ….well jack, thanks for the A but the class should definitely be eliminated. The only reason I took it is because I thought it was unfair that people got free AÂ’s the semester before (and to make up for a VERY disappointing gateway grade)
half of this class is actually devoted to community service, which should be voluntary, rather than mandatory, as part of SEAS requirement. Don't forget that we are paying nearly $2000 for half of the course(on average $1000 per credit at columbia; it's 4 point class). There are a great number of engineering-related companies located in NYC, such as coveted Morgan Stanley's IT department. Why would Jack choose those stupid community projects? First of all, we do understand that columbia's ongoing manhattanville project needs a lot of community support and cooperation, but it is unfair to sacrifice students' time and tuiton to those petty, pointless projects. Furthermore, the clients do not even appreciate or utilize our efforts. The winner is, of course, Jack. You can see that he has been applauded for creating this "innovative" class from time to time on major school newspapers. He's extracted alot of fame from this class, and the real losers are students.
This is, at the same time, THE most pointless and time consuming class I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. Despite his appearance, Jack knows nothing about engineering/design/real life. He is simply a bureaucrat, in the purest form. It's because of this that he chooses to ramble about meaningless topics on weekday mornings, while his Lab drones teach Matlab and Maya. I will concede that matlab may be useful in future classes, as I have personally seen it used in the research setting. How you do in this class depends on only one thing: Jack's particular hormone levels during grading. He told us very directly on the first day that our grade depends on "whether or not I think your group did work." In terms of work, you will be in one of two situations: you will either be the single competent member of your group (and will work day and night to save their a**es), or you will be one of the group members whose largest achievement of the semester is not drooling on him/herself (in which case you will cruise through the class). I can't give you advice about how to be one/ not the other, because it all depends on your demeanor- if you're a hard worker, you'll be working night and day; if you're like the people in my group, you will get an A+ for having a pulse (the philosophy is that the entire group gets one grade, regardless of circumstances). If you find yourself contemplating suicide toward the middle or end of the semester, just take comfort in that you will never again have to endure this level of retardation in any single class or other life event.
Haha, this class sucks, but you HAVE to take it. Word to the wise, don't rely on Jack for anything, he's flaky, self important and unreliable. Don't take it too seriously, don't beat yourself up, just try not to take on too much work in your group.
it took one of my group members 30 minutes(the rest of us didn't do anything) to do a web page for project health but countless hours to work on the report. on the report he expected to see crap like: at first i was very scared and uncomfortable with the group, but in the end i began to enjoy what we've been doing. The point is that there're a lot of psychological elements in this engineering class. This course should be taught by professors in our engineering department. Sometimes Jack pretends to be knowlegeable in technology and engineering, but, in reality, he know much less than many of his students. The kind of knowledge he's got is from newspaper and magazine rather than real research experience in technical fields.
Okay, if like 90% of apathetic college students, you just want an easy A, this is the class for you. I did a whole semester's full of work in 2 days. The 15 page paper my friend and I wrote was so bad that we ourselves were too lazy to read the other one's part to completion. The only thing you'll learn in this class is that one-sided debates do exist and this is the only line of reasoning used by the professor. Don't get me wrong, Jack is certainly approachable and lovable, and he made the time not only bearable but slightly entertaining, but if you came here to get more out of your education than 2+ hours of someone bemoaning technology and revealing how screwed up the corporate world is, well perhaps you should try another class to fulfill your science requirement...
Jack's a great professor. He loves teaching, and he loves listening to students. Ignore these bad reviews.
All i can say is that I'm 99% sure he rigged the results of the survey for Gateway. Who prints out the surveys and gives it out to students to review?? I'm sure he took out all the bad comments about him. How do i know? because my not-so-positive review of Gateway and his teaching was nowhere to be seen!!!!! And he made students read only the comments that praised his 4 pt class and himself! eliminate this class from the engineering core, and i'll happily recommend Columbia Engineering to the seniors back in my highschool.
one word that can sum up all the previous reviews is I think Jack should be fired and gateway gotta be dropped. period i don't know when the chair of engineering department will realize that and maybe we should do a petition
First of all, attendance is required, and that sucked. Jack is a funny guy, but other than that, the lectures are useless. Weekly departmental presentations won't really give you much help in choosing your major. Lectures are all focused on team development. The lab sessions were dreadful, especially the matlab portion. You could pretty much figure everything out by reading over the webpages, but Alex just loves to talk, so he almost always takes up the entire time assigned to him. I (among others who had taken this class) would love to see them just take Gateway out of the requirement. it's completely useless, except becoming friends with my gateway team.
Jack might come off as a nice guy in the beginning of the class but watch out for him!! First off, he has made gateway into a huge train wreck to which he keeps adding more victims. Every time I tell an upperclassman or recent graduate what we have to do in gateway they are shocked seeing as the class was so much easier before. Gateway is simply a pain....a few words of advice before you take the class: on the questionaire where they ask you about your skills....LIE, say you know nothing or else you will be stuck doing everything in the group project. Second of all, dont try too hard, there is absolutely no reason to!! The marks that really count such as participation, final presentation, midterm and final PTV are all graded extremely subjectively yet you will get a decent mark even if you dont do your best. I personally worked my ass off in the community project, was team leader and really pushed my team and we did very well. Yet jack still screwed me over and gave me an A-! Oh and he will probably boast how this is a four point class as opposed to a 3pt class. However, that is all bullshit! the workload is so much that it deserves more than 4 points and it just gives him more of a hand in determining your fate seeing as the grade u get counts for more. As for jack as a professor.....he created this "lecture" for gateway ontop of the lab not too long ago where he just drones on for more than an hour...not to mention it was a 9 AM class! Some of the things he says are entertaining but are not really educational. The class is simply designed for him to try to instill in everyone some sort of "teamwork skills" but it fails miserabely....you will NEVER use anything he says in class, even in your community project! Word of advice: skip class and have someone sign you in a few times, you wont be missing out on anything....but go to the last lecture, its nice. Bottom line, Jack is unfair, he's full of himslef, and he makes believe he knows what the students want....when he clearly does not. However, he could be nice, just make sure to suck up to him alot, he is flattered very easily and likes it if u try to be his friend (I know sounds like highschool to me).
I think this class is the best way to complete the science requirement, especially for those not very knowledgeable in science. For a while I mistook Jack's extremely laid-back attitude and lack of deadlines for a lack of concern and preparedness for the class. But now I have to say that his way of teaching is great and I managed to learn a lot from the required student presentations. He is very friendly, helpful and best of all a pretty easy grader.
It is inappropriate and absurd to let a psychology professor teach an engineering course. He simply doesn't understand what engineering is. Like the other post said, 99% of work he assigns is pointless and a complete waste of time. I would donate all my savings to make SEAS eliminate this course
Jack McGourty led an overhaul of the Gateway Lab curriculm. What was once a relatively painless, quick introduction to computer design has grown into Jack's little pet monstrosity. Rumor has it that Jack was selected for this task because the other deans of the engineering school realized that Jack did NOTHING. So, he became the head of the Gateway course and shifted the emphasis to "team-building" and other vague notions. Jack's lectures might be more interesting than Jose's (who lectures about CAD), but Jose is trying to teach a skill, not listen to the sound of his own voice. In addition to his worthless lectures, Jack assigns a lot of pointless homework exercises, mostly featuring PowerPoint. As each semester passes and the feedback is constantly terrible, Jack tries to change the course (and don't worry, he'll pat himself on the back more than once for being responsive to students), but instead of dropping the pointless things that people complain about (e.g. anything that Jack has a hand in), he expands them to attempt to justify their existence. Jack has changed the course from a one day a week 3-point lab course to a course with an whole Jack lecture a week AND a lab. Don't worry though, Jack will praise himself for making the class worth 4 points to reflect these changes- people want LESS not MORE, Jack(ass). I took the class Spring '03 and Jack praised himself for not having anymore 9AM sections like last semester, but what happened the next semester? Mandatory 9AM lectures. The worst experience in SEAS Core Curriculum. I am not alone in this opinion.
Although I sometimes dreaded the 3+ hour lab session, the 1+ hour-long lecture section delivered by Jack McGourty was fantastic. Jack is an engaging professor with great command of the class and a down-to-earth lecture style. His thought-provoking lecture even made the dry, generic, overidealized subject that is Gateway interesting and relevant (until I stepped out of the classroom). He also happens to be one of those really nice people who looks at the side of the glass half full. Even if you don't do well on some assignements or submit a homework slightly late, you'll find Jack more merciful than any of the Lab TAs. It's very fortunate the he has the final say on your grades. Attendance to lectures are required, and so is particpation. These constraints are annoying but not terrible, since Jack's lecture style is very relaxed. He shows lots of short movies and has guest speakers from every department in the Engineering School deliver overviews of their departments, during which you could snooze. The lab session (not delivered by Jack, unfortunately) primarily teaches you Matlab and StudioTools, which are much less useful in the real world than, say, C++ and Dreamweaver. Most people find Matlab very frustrating and StudioTools very time consuming. You really have to hold back your feelings and pretend you love Matlab & StudioTools to do the work. How difficult your group project is really depends on the computer programming experience of your fellow group members and how diligent they are. Be wary! The Gateway website says you should expect to work 4 hours per week, a VERY misleading statement. The first few weeks of the course are fairly easy but the midterm and final projects will consume endless hours of your time. It's actually pretty ridiculous. I must have spent eight entire Sundays (morning til' midnight) with my team and on my own "doing Gateway," time that I would have otherwise had totally free. As the workload is so unevenly distributed throughout the semester, you shold literally start both your midterm and final projects on the very day they are posted, and even if you do it's still a rough workload. Nevertheless, the final course grading is generous. if you work hard, you WILL get a grade in the A range. Think of Gateway as a straightforward test that covers a lot of material. You'll spend an insane amount of time studying, but then you'll surely do well. And considering that Gateway's a 4-credit class, that's a very good thing.
He's the best professor I've ever had. He makes class interesting. I hated the lab class because of the PTV assignment, but Jack eased my suffering greatly. He's very approchable and is an exceedingly nice person. If you need help, talk to him or e-mail him. If you e-mail him, he will get back to you very quickly, sometimes in just 3 minutes! Go to class, he takes attendance. He will know if you're absent since he learns everyone's names.
one word to sum up this class is dumb.I agree he is a nice guy but the course is a disaster. attendence counts in this class. lecture may be fun but you won't find anything valuable related to your major. no one cares if you are able to do a Gantt chart, spider diagram and other silly stuff. I hadn't opened the textbook for the entire semester so don't buy it. the couse is completely useless and stupid and a shame of pretigious columbia university
Jack is probably the best teacher I have had at Columbia. All freshman SEAS don't have to worry about Gateway, just relax, don't be to pysco about the course and you'll be fine. Don't be the overachiever and take Gateway like life or death, its an intro course to all of engineering pretty much. Relax, you'll have plenty of time later to work really hard in SEAS. All the professors for Gateway are cool, don't worry about them. Jack especially is the man, a super nice guy, who wants everyone to enjoy the course and have fun. Overall, no worries about Gateway.
Truly one of the most amazing professor's here. The nicest most accomidating person, with a world of knowledge in many fields of psychology and beyond. The class was fun and interesting and he was mosly concerned with the students learning and having a good time than the usual class politics. Unfortunately, I don't think he will be teaching this class again, but I recommend coming in contact with this man if possible; he teaches Gateway for SEAS
He is definitely the most compassionate and considerate professor ever. He is very passionate about psych and loves teaching and students. He wants everyone to do well and will tailor the course to student preferences as much as he can. He has guest speakers and puts his lectures on power point slides which he hands out at class so it's ok to miss a lecture now and then. The material is very interesting and he always makes himself available to students.
Jack is the kindest, most caring, interesting professor EVER. He is a practicing therapist and taught most of the class by sharing illustrative stories about the topic we were covering. The textbook was very interesting. He was ALWAYS available outside of class over email or for individual meetings. He truly cared about how the students enjoyed the course and was willing to tailor it to students' preferences. He got to know each and every student. This class was the only one I have ever felt sad that it was over. DO NOT MISS THIS PROFESSOR!!